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 Post subject: Online Dating
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 11:42 am 
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What is your opinion on online dating? I have never done it. Particularly for someone who has struggled with porn use in the past.

I have been thinking of trying out finding local dates through a online dating site, and talked with some friends about it who have had many real life dates from it, and even a cousin who got married from someone he met on it. I'm interested in doing it because I think it would be a good practice to experiment with to meet and date new people. And I think it might be beneficial in helping facilitate my confidence and experience in dating. However I recognize that doing this could easily become unhealthy; such as with scanning women online for many hours, my mind triggering relations to porn when viewing images, spending too much time online and not in real life, and it becoming a crutch for my emotional/practical deficiencies of intermittent low confidence, asking people out in person, and relationship difficulties. Therefore I know that if I do decide to engage in this, I will definitely need to set concrete boundaries in place with it - like setting a time limit, having an action plan set up if I encounter urges, focusing on my values as I search/respond, having no more than 3 emails or a month communication before we meet in person, and so forth. As well, this would need to be in conjunction with seeking out real life opportunities for dating outside of a computer screen, because I value that and feel a need to develop that aspect of myself. Of course, I could just not do it at all too.


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 Post subject: Re: Online Dating
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 11:16 pm 
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My personal opinion depends on where you are in recovery. If you are still working or struggling then my suggestion would be to hold of on any new relationships with what could potentially become sexual and/or intimate in nature. If you want to work on intimacy then work on it with finding friends and or if you do not have an intimate relationship with your family and it would not be unhealthy to improve it then improve it there.

Remember that a relationship involves two people and "experimenting" with relationship means that you will be experimenting on two people, not just yourself. If you feel that you are honestly ready for a new relationship, then by all means peruse it.

That's just my thoughts, I might be totally off so take it for what's it worth.


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 Post subject: Re: Online Dating
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:28 am 
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Hi laughingchild,

Thanks for asking this, agree with HoneyCat that it depends where you are in recovery and at what point it's wise to be thinking about starting a relationship in the transition from recovery to health. Would be good to hear others feedback on this - not just in relation to online dating but dating in general.

Some of the doubts you expressed might be enough to tell you that it would be an unnecessary source of stress for you at this time - you might have a gut feeling about it already but it's often good to hear others views to help us see our own thoughts more clearly.

Not sure if this will apply at all but here's a post of mine from CB's love addiction thread a while back that goes into some of my experiences with online dating and love addiction rituals.
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one area worth mentioning that hindered my own recovery is that of online dating. For a shy person with low self esteem online dating was a dream playground for my love addiction to flourish. It not only allowed me to project perfection onto whoever I found attractive but also allowed me to create a chameleon like ideal version of myself that was both interested and interesting to women (or what I thought was - no doubt based on romantic movies, books etc). At the time I thought I was just expressing my romantic, thoughtful, creative side – my extra special and sincere self. The reality was that it took a crazy amount of time and effort to be so wonderful - while my real motivation was all about me anyway - I was desperately chasing acceptance from the attractive women I was too scared to talk to in real life and I’d do whatever it took to get it.

Whenever a real relationship ensued and reality inevitably caught up with the fantasy it wouldn’t be long before I was overwhelmed with the stress of struggling to keep up my own perfect persona while being confronted with the inevitable flaws in my ‘ideal woman’ who I now felt trapped in a relationship with. For a love addict it’s all about the chase. If they make the catch it won’t be long before it’s all about the escape. So they can start another chase… because they're chasing a love they can only get from within but are convinced lies elsewhere.

Even after leaving dating sites behind I still found new and novel ways to impress and obsess about women that fuelled my love addiction. Online dating isn’t the enemy – it’s what goes on in our heads that defines what’s healthy and what’s not appropriate.


Should also say when I was in coaching with Jon he warned me of the potential pitfalls of online dating as a recovering addict with love addiction issues but I convinced myself I could handle it, would set up boundaries, limit my time there etc. The dating site led to a real life relationship (after months of messaging) that was totally based on love addiction and ended up leaving me in a much worse emotional state than before.

I believe I'd approach online dating much differently now but for the moment it's a risk I'd rather not take. Meeting someone through socialising with friends or joining a new group activity or class feels like it would provide me with more chances to develop my values than online dating would for now.

That's me though and we're all on different paths so follow what's important to you in your decision and here's to your continued growth :g:


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 Post subject: Re: Online Dating
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:27 am 
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HI LC
good question and two very good answers
I agree with both and simply add that to me and its only MO
online dating seems not to be real, more fantasy hence more dangerous to handle when compared to dealing face to face

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 Post subject: Re: Online Dating
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 7:26 am 
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I think there is something to be said about the type of on-line dating you do. Certainly there is the commercial sites which give profile tests and less reputable services, but I think the real issue would be how you use it. For example, (and this is just me imagining since I am married and have never had an on-line relationship) I would say if you used it to establish contacts in order to meet people in person, it would be better than if you were to create and maintain an on-line, distant relationship.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I know several people who seem happy with making contacts via the Internet. Of course to my knowledge, none of them have the obsessive behavior patterns of a love/sex addict, which certainly brings back concerns previously discussed in this thread. I can speak for myself on this one: I know I would not feel on-line dating would be for me because I simply do not think in those terms.


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 Post subject: Re: Online Dating
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 9:57 am 
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I agree with everyone else-- you should only do it if you are truly ready to be in a real relationship. Maybe ask you therapist and/or 12-step sponsor to help you decide if you're ready. But with that said, I've used eharmony and okcupid in the past with some success. Eharmony is easier for a guy to connect with people (but it costs money) because it does a screening test to gauge personality and values and to align you with people through an algorithm to predict success matches; then actually feeds you matches instead of leaving it up to you to "cruise" the listings. This is probably safer for a recovering addict/abuser, but I feel like it worked for me. I have been a sex addict triggered by porn for years, but for some reason the online dating I did parallel to my addiction never really crossed over... at least not in a "cruising for women/porn" type of way. Try it out, if you're ready to date-- and just be really self critical and honest with yourself. If you start to see it as a trigger, or a way to boost your self-esteem in a potentially unhealthy way, then stop yourself. Maybe tell a trusted friend about it, and give them your login/password for accountability.

I've had 2 very successful long-term relationships from eharmony with being a member for a total of 6-7 mos. I think it's a good investment if you're ready to start dating. I'm also a pretty "normal" guy who had reservations about the stigma of online dating-- which seems laughable now that I'm a recovering sex addict :) "Oh, life!"


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 Post subject: Re: Online Dating
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 3:47 pm 
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I don't have a dog in this fight; I'm married and have been healing my marriage since recovery. In reading this thread, I had remembered I saw a post once from Coach Jon on the topic of online dating. Here it is:

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Theoretically, of course the internet is a place to meet interesting people that you could not have met elsewhere. A $8,000,000,000 a year industry can't be wrong...but the inherent difficulties that come from searching for a long-term, romantic relationship online far outweigh the very slim possibility of actually meeting someone who can fulfill that. What ends up happening is that the relationships are frequently intense, passionate, open and "honest"...but they rarely develop into the long-term, romantic relationship that was being sought. They meet the short term goals of meeting someone interesting, but never seem to fulfill the long-term goals of sharing a true partnership. Yes, there are exceptions...but they are indeed rare exceptions, certainly not the rule. Regarding the comment, "you have the opportunity to be attracted to someone's mind"...if I had a dollar for every time I heard that, I'd fly out to each of your houses and assist you with the workshop in person! Again, in theory, that is true...you take away the potential physical boundaries that exist and can focus on a person's mind or "soul". Reality, however, dictates that each of you will begin fantasizing about the appearance and traits of one another, and will create an image that leans more towards perfection...an image that, when it comes time for making the transition from the mind to the whole person...cannot be matched. And so disappointment and disillusionment set in. No matter how shallow it may sound, physical attractiveness is important in a long-term relationship. You want to be physically attracted to your partner, and you want your partner to be physically attracted to you. Is it possible that a relationship can survive without this attraction? Rarely, yes. But it requires TWO people who honestly do not value physical appearance...which in our society is rare. But yes, it is possible. The much more healthy road for establishing a relationship is to spend all the time spent online searching for a long-term partner, and invest it in yourself. Improving the things that make you, you. Expand your hobbies, improve your health, fight for something you believe in...that is a surer way of sharing "who you are" with others rather than from the safety of a computer screen.

And to be clear, I have made many friends online and keep in touch with them frequently...the internet is a great way to learn and experience others that I would never have had the pleasure of experiencing otherwise--and my life is better for it. For affairs? For short-term, intensely emotional relationships? For affording you the ability to share yourself freely? Absolutely...the Internet is great for that as well. But in terms of searching for long-term romantic relationships...it typically doesn't work. Show me 1,000 relationships that start out with online emotional intensity, and I will show you "0" that make the transition to the type of daily, in-person partnerships that are being sought (by at least one of them). Show me 10,000 relationships and I can probably show you two or three that work. The odds are just not worth the effort. Now, show me 1,000 relationships that start out with face-to-face emotional intensity, and I can show you at least 100 that end in a long-term, committed relationship. It's just the way that it is...and why online dating services make so much money from the same group of people. They get them addicted to the "high" of searching...real similar to gambling...except that the jackpot is finding someone "special".


Here's the thread in entirety:

http://www.recoverynation.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1650&p=13931&hilit=dating#p13931

RIP, Jon


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 Post subject: Re: Online Dating
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 3:34 am 
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Thanks for digging that thread out Tim, much insight and food for thought there :g:

Especially regarding the types of people that can be drawn to online dating and the lack of social skills that often accompany them.

Think blackbird's response on the thread is worth highlighting too - if both people (looking for a long term relationship) agree to meet face to face after communicating only briefly online then many of the risks of starting an intensely emotional relationship based on fantasy can be avoided. Of course this doesn't rule out other potential difficulties but can see how it might work for people not in addiction whose intentions and boundaries are clear.

I think what I'll most take from this though is the advice about starting from our values:
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Now, as for finding a good man that shares your thoughts, dreams, etc....start by having a clear understanding of what kind of a man you are looking for--what qualities are most important to you. Once you have this, then the process of finding a man that matches at least the most important values can begin. And your list of values should help point you in the direction of where to begin that search.

I used to spend hours online looking for the ideal woman to come into my life and make everything better. Now I know such fulfilment only comes through living congruently with personal values regardless of relationship status. The same values that can clarify the type of person I'll be most compatible with and point me in the direction of where I might find them.


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